Monday, October 29, 2007

The Death of the Card Man pt. 1

I shot this footage a couple of weeks ago at a Wednesday afternoon session at Dean Dill’s Barber Shoppe. I was continuing a discussion I started with Billy Goodwin about the “Death of the Card Man”. New friends and new insight. Enjoy. Leave a comment if you have any feeling about this.


dconn said...

my thoughts:

wow, that kid got grilled

I don't get it.

is the point:

"you don't have old books...
so, you're not learning correctly?"


When I was a young/upcoming "Cardman" I would have KILLED to have access to modern resources (like the internet /TSD or modern books like "Card College" or Ammar/Daryl DVD's... etc etc)

This kid might not be the best example of a modern 'cardman'

I'd like to see the same guy interview some of the kidz from

The Cardman... dead? Nah.

we're just 'evolving'

Anonymous said...

This is pretty much what we've come to expect from the boomer generation, poorly disguised 'revelations' that only go to show how spoiled an entire generation can act.

Sorry, nothing to see. Move along.

PeaceLove said...

That older guy is a jerk, preying on the weak like an unpleasant junior high school principal. I hope that kid learns quickly to walk away from pompous interrogators like that.

Believe it or not, it's possible to become a great magician, even a great card magician, without reading Erdnase, Hofzinser, or Vernon. Speaking as a member of the over-40 crowd, I'll state unequivocally that the current generation of magicians smokes the previous generation. The Internet has changed everything--for the better.

kid iowa said...

A couple of questions:

1. What's the purpose of learning all the damn slights in Erdnase like the shifts and passes if you don't have a routine to use it in? Just to learn it to say you learned it? Seems kind of like you're spinning your wheels if all you're going to be is a move monkey.

2. Erdnase is a tedious read. I'm a visual learner and learn much faster from video, or preferably in person. I still read books as often as I can, but the younger generation is being raised on visual equipment, books are taking a back seat to it. Much like before books the only way to learn was to be an apprentice. Did the older guy in this vid get ripped because he was learning all this new fangled stuff from books, as opposed to the others that had to prove themselves to a magician to apprentice under?

3. This is the reason I don't belong to magic clubs and generally avoid other magicians. It's the big dick syndrome, who has the hardest time learning, these new kids have it too easy, they don't earn it, blah blah blah. Yup, movable type was a bitch. They started out printing books and looked what happened, more people are picking up the art.

dconn said...


Perhaps a diff title for this vid/clip would have been more appropo?

For example;
"Analysis of a modern Cardman"

"Death of" seems so... dead.
(when in fact, 'cardistry' (hehe) is actually stronger than ever)


I'm curious what your discussion w/Goodwin (etc) inspired this 'Death of' vid?

perhaps you're becoming an 'old goat' too? ;)


Dai Vernon Quote

"That's everything a magic act shouldn't be!"


Timmy Jimmy said...

I think there is a place for both old and new books. Personally, the way books were written in the past left the reader working hard to really understand what it is the writer was trying to convey. Read between the lines as they say. I've been told that they were often written vaguely on purpose to discourage those that weren't serious?
The drawings made for slow deciphering of the sleights as well. I always had to turn the page or book upside down to really see what the drawing was imparting. But then i couldn't read the text that corresponds with the drawings or worse, the text and the drawing were on two different pages. Old timers told me to read the text into a tape recorder and then while listening to it look at the drawings. I find that with todays technology of video on dvd etc. What a blessing for learning quickly.
I still think there are many great books that are must reads that have to do more with performing like Darwin Ortiz' "Strong Magic" And Rene Lavand, "Mysteries of My Life". Reading Our Magic by Maskelyne and Devant will teach one more about structure and the inner secrets to holding an audience and making magic magical.
But with dvd you can watch live performance and see much of this as well.
The old guy drilled the young man in your video here, What, he is 18? Remember yourself at 18?! HA! I bet that old guy at 18 had a different view and perspective than now.
My 2 centavos!

Anonymous said...

I've got my fill of Erdnase, Hofinzer, and Vernon. But it came through the wise filter of Giobbi via card college. Only the best, most modern, most practical techniques are worth the modern practitioner's time.